Flight Time Vs. Air Time Personal Logbook

[Freewheel]

https://www.tc.gc.ca/en/services/aviation/reference-centre/advisory-circulars/ac-700-052.html

[Freewheel]

President’s Message - HAC Appeals to Minister Garneau Over the New Interpretation of “Flight time”

http://mediaedgedigital.com/supplierinsights/hac/presidents-message-15/

[RonnyRotor]

I have been involved in ELD’s “electronic logging devices” in commercial vehicles. These work very well and will be mandatory June 01 2020. They are now branching out into commercial aircraft and this will take out all the guess work and increase safety eliminating any “cheating” or mistakes in pilot , journey and tech logs. There is alot of interest from customers including government agencies. Shouldn’t take long as all the ground work is done with trucks etc. Should make things a lot safer and less confusing. 

[Heliian]

38 minutes ago, RonnyRotor said:

I have been involved in ELD’s “electronic logging devices” in commercial vehicles. These work very well and will be mandatory June 01 2020. They are now branching out into commercial aircraft and this will take out all the guess work and increase safety eliminating any “cheating” or mistakes in pilot , journey and tech logs. There is alot of interest from customers including government agencies. Shouldn’t take long as all the ground work is done with trucks etc. Should make things a lot safer and less confusing. 

 

Ya, they exist already in various forms for the aviation sector.  Still not that cost effective and not even 100% accurate either.

Since there are way more trucks on the road with a rampant logging deficiency problem it's justified for that sector.  Won't make the trucks any safer but will prevent most drivers from breaking the law.

 

[RonnyRotor]

Yes there are but these ELD’s are exactly the same and extremely accurate making aviation much safer!

[robottxt]

16 minutes ago, RonnyRotor said:

Yes there are but these ELD’s are exactly the same and extremely accurate making aviation much safer!

The drills have to spin 24hrs a day, how will ELDs help with that?????   

[RonnyRotor]

ELD’s record the hours on parts as well as other things eliminating the possibility of flying with time expired parts

[robottxt]

13 minutes ago, RonnyRotor said:

ELD’s record the hours on parts as well as other things eliminating the possibility of flying with time expired parts

Maybe i'll have to spell it out for you.......The drill is broken, its 1am????  How will ELD keep the drill spinning????   

[Freewheel]

As mentioned, ELDs exist in a variety of forms in our industry already. Unfortunately, it appears that the confusion that exists within Transport Canada, also existed within TC certification when the devices were approved. As an example: Some devices log  air time as only the time spent in the air (Which is correct), while others continue to log air time, after landing, while on the ground with engines running. This results in higher than actual air time records, and is unnecessarily increasing maintenance costs as time expired parts are required to be replaced early. The difference can be significant on flights, with multiple landings, between start and shut down (which are very common in our industry).

Also, not all maintenance tasks are required to be completed in advance of time limits. Many special inspections, like torque checks must be completed after a miniMum number of hours IN THE AIR. So if the device is logging air time, while the aircraft is running on the ground, there exists potential for these inspections/tasks to be completed before they have actually met the minimum air time requirements (and contrary to the manufacturers Recommendations and the airworthiness regulations).